ad and thamudad and thamud

These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. Then remember the favors of Allah and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption. [7:73. They also earned income by transporting goods and people in caravans pulled by domesticated camels across the desert. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. As for the wells, studies have shown that the Nabateans were experts in the field of irrigation and a lot of wells was attributed to them. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. Thamd, li, al-ijr, Gods She-camel, Arabia and the Arabs by Robert Hoyland, Professor of Late Antique and Early Islamic Middle Eastern History at New York Universitys Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, pg 68. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. Yet how can we prove that there was a Prophet sent to them since Allah SWT does not punish a nation without sending one? The ruined abandoned wells and ruined lofty palaces were present at the time of the Prophet (). The Nabataean kingdom existed from the 3rd or 2nd century BC, could it be that their punishment was a long one after a prophet was sent to them sometime before Prophet Isa AS? Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. Then do you see any remains?Chapter 69, Verses 6 8. Not every opinion that he held was necessarily a divine revelation. Secondly, the Ayaat are not only meant for the Sahaba, they are also for us and for all times and so when the Quran asks the readers to look at what happened to those before, it is meant for us as well. The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. Al does not make anything past or present or future. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. It is addressed there But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. There is a popular historical show in Saudi Arabia with Eid Al-Yahya where they visit the area of Madain Saleh and he definitely makes a credible case showing that Madain Saleh has indications of being built by Thamud, but being used and completed by the Nabateans. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). A Brief History of ` Ad and Thamud ` Ad is the name of a person who is in the fifth generation after Sayyidna Nuh ( ) and is among the progeny of his son Sam. So leave her to eat within Allahs land and do not touch her with harm, lest there seize you a painful punishment. There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. Prior to the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was under Greek and Roman influence. What we do know is that the Nabateans lived a nomadic life style. Revisionists are conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theories sell so in order to make quick money and get fame, some western pseudo scholars propagate this absurd conspiracy theory. Jumping the gun, 2. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. Suhih Muslim _ The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat || Html Code Widget || Blogger Website Blog || At _ The story of cow. Nigel Groom said that Sargon II recorded his subjugations of the tribe of Tamud in 715 BCE, that Agatharchides refers to the land of the Thamoudenian Arabs, Diodorus Sicilus refers to the Thamudeni, Pliny speaks of the Tamudaei, Ptolemy mentioned the Thamudiatea and also the Thamydeni and a Nabatean inscription dated to 166-169 CE refers to the nation or federation of the Thamudeans.[3][4]. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. [26] The name is a misnomer from the nineteenth century, when such texts were discovered in areas associated with the Thamud in the Islamic tradition. 1. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. 41.13-18 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. Sahih International. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: The Hawazin tribe and the Quraysh tribe are considered Adnani Arabs. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. [31][32] Other Arab tribes migrated into Sudan in the 12th century and intermarried with the indigenous populations, forming the Sudanese Arabs. Good reply Adeel. We cannot preclude the notion that structures that are completely different from what has been found so far, will be found in the future. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Their responses were a reflection of this culture. Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks And Ad and Thamud as has been made clear from their dwellings. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Thats all the Thamud had to do. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. So Ill let that one go for another article and focus on the main discussion, the Aad and Thamud. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? Chaldeans formed when actual tribe of thamud perished so you are not correct . [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. 27:52 is in present tense. Change). As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. If they were made for dead bodies, it stands to reason that we should find at least one dead body in them. Pickthall And (the tribes of) A'ad and Thamud! Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. The Quran mentions Aad as successor to the people of Noah (Q 7:69), and Thamud, as successor to Aad in turn (Q 7:74). But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). 1. Ptolemy, who lived in the second century, wrote that the "Thamuditai" tribe inhabited the Red Sea coastline, and that the "Thamoudenoi" tribe lived in inland northwestern Arabiaeither or both may be references to the Thamdwhile his contemporary Uranius believed that the Thamd neighbored the Nabateans. ""- . During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. 6. 4. After the destruction of Ad, Thamud succeeded them in power and grandeur. [1] Arab tribes have historically inhabited the Arabian Peninsula, but after the spread of Islam, they began to heavily migrate and settle in other areas such as the Levant,[2] Mesopotamia,[3] Egypt,[4] Sudan,[5] the Maghreb,[6] and Khuzestan. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. Their dwellings remained but very partially 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. Also bonus when you say there buildings were not on the surface what do you mean do you mean the outside was gone but you could see the inside like a cave do you mean that, 15. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. The glorious Qur'an considered the people of 'Ad after Nuh (a); when it says, "and that it is He who destroyed the former 'Ad", "The former 'Ad" were the people of Prophet Hud (a) who lived after the people of Nuh (a) and before the people of Thamud. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? ___Fatwa. So bring on whatever punishment you say is coming to us.. They conquered other nations and treated them harshly. And As-Saihah (torment - awful cry) overtook the wrong-doers, so they lay (dead), prostrate in their homes, As if they had never lived there. In my research, I did discover that the tombs do contain pre-Nabatean inscriptions. 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. However this would not explain why the Prophet () referred to the houses as Thamuds dwellings. 13. Beni Hassan defeated both Berbers and Black Africans in the region, pushing them southwards to the Senegal river while the Arab tribes settled in Mauritania. This came to pass, and Thamud was annihilated. Allah sent the Prophet Hud to give the Aad the message of Islam. Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. He said, "My people, worship God. Their early inscriptions were in Aramaic, but gradually switched to Arabic, and since they had writing, it was they who made the first inscriptions in Arabic. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. The Aad werent about that. The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. Thus, there was a latter 'Ad as well, whom some exegetes considered the people of Thamud. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. Some have shelves carved into the rock; one has a large room, possibly big enough to house a council. The Edomites and Thamud Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. This is an odd conclusion. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. People descended with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, to the valley of Hijr, the land of Thamud, and they drank from the wells and kneaded flour with it. Can it be said that the Thamud made wells and their successors i.e. If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? . So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. (Quran 16:36). For a few reasons. A similar narrative can be found in Jeremiah 49:16 The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. However, they worshiped other deities along with Allah. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with Aad; of Iram of the lofty pillars? (Quran 89:6-7). The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. Between the mountains were valleys with gardens and springs of water. 5. The Aad and the Thamud are two nations mentioned several times in the Quran. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today There are some scholars who say a mountain split apart and the camel walked out. Chapter (41) srat fuilat (Explained in Detail) Sahih International: But if they turn away, then say, "I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] 'Aad and Thamud.. Pickthall: But if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt (which fell of old upon the tribes) of A'ad and Thamud;. In the Nabataean period, several impressive facades were carved into the hills outside al-Hijr, between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. Ad and Thamud were two great civilizations destroyed by God due to their excessive wickedness. Thereupon Allahs Messenger () commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel used to come. See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. 7. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. Aben Ezra thinks that caph, the note of similitude, is wanting; and that the sense is, thou thoughtest that Mount Seir could secure thee, as they that dwell in the clefts of a rock: whose habitation [is] high; upon high rocks and mountains, such as Mount Seir was, where Esau dwelt, and his posterity after, him. And you said the inside has to be bigger how big do you think it has to be inside like the inside of petra or smaller or bigger and how many rooms do you think there should of been or do you think the inside of madion al saleh is the right size sorry for all the questions but these are it then I wont ask any more questions Im justin putting them all so then thats it jazzakkallah, This is also part of 4. Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. Obviously, the Thamud were much more advanced technologically than the Aad. from there I will bring you down, Obadiah 1:3 Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. Otherwise, it could be also the Lihyanites, who disappeared some time before Isa (as), they also had some kind of rock art. The blast struck the evildoers and they lay dead in their homes, as though they had never lived and flourished there. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. This poses problematic. They were successors to the People of Noah. And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. They are aws and athiri in origin with element of arphaxad [9] The Thamd also joined the Roman armies as auxiliaries, and the Notitia Dignitatum mentions two units of Thamd warriors serving the Roman Empire, one in Egypt and the other in Palestine.[10]. The title People of al-Hijr was, therefore, that of Nabateans who came much late in history and their period overlapped with Thamud-II, the remnants of Thamud-I, the subject of Quran.[5]. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. Do you think that there inside of there buildings had to of caved in 9. Expel Jews and Christians from Arabian Peninsula? For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. well) who killed their Prophet AS and hung him inside a well. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. The Thamud were the successors of the Aad. Although, implausible, but not impossible. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. We find ruins of so many past civilisations such as Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and so on. And God knows best. What else do you have in mind They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. [Qur'an . They said, "li, We used to have such great hope in you. In Islamic prophetic history, the Prophet Salih (s) was sent to the first tribe of Thamud before the coming of Moses (s), since one of the believers warned Pharaoh about what happened to them. 62-63]. It describes what they used to do i.e. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. What do u think? (2/434), As for the related Hadith reports related to the incident during the Tabuk expedition they either do not mention Thamud by name or say. What we do know about the Edomites, historically, is that they lived in and around Petra before the Nabateans came. I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. 2. Long before the Roman empire, before Alexanders conquests, even before the great Persian monarchs, there were the Assyrians lords of much of the Middle East, and archetypes of almost every empire that came after them. Guiding Romantic Desire: Wisdom in the Sexual Ethics of Islam, Custodianship of the Right Hand: Concubinage, Rape, and Sexual Slavery in Islam. - _ taf . Like does 89:9 mean what thamud used too do like example pharoh killed people on stakes or does it mean what they have done like example the pyramids. The following are four verses from Obadiah: 1 The vision of Obadiah. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. Hence, they didnt engage in long, drawn out debates with Hud. I believe neither are in error. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. (2). Is al ula walid al qura This is because Prophet Ismail (AS) is often considered to be the father of Arabs just like Prophet Ishaaq/Isaac (AS) is considered to be the father of the Israelites. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. The earliest known mention of this new 'Thamud' in historical sources is is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian king Sargon II, which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. [28] [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. So, in summary, The Quran makes a claim that in a particular time in history, a people known as Thamud built structures on the hills and mountains. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . 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